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Looking for heating advice for 50' 1983 Gibson in Boston MA. 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
Hello - I'm looking for advice on the best heating option for 50' 1983 Gibson LZ in Boston. I've included some info about my boat and what I believe to be the best option so far. Feel free to set me straight.
Thanks,
jim

****These are some facts about the boat/situation********
* The marina I’m at and will continue to be at for the foreseeable future does not meter per slip, I pay a hefty flat fee for unmetered 120/240 50Amp. I currently use a marinco 240 to 2x110 Y splitter to feed two 110/30amp panels.
* All panels and wiring is new and at abyc standards (marinco 12AWG).
* Removed and sealed the two inoperable ceiling mounted factory AC/heat units last year during renovation so combo AC/heat solution would be ideal.
* The last owner installed a small Becket burner diesel furnace (non-marine) with forced hot water but I ditched this system last winter when the corroded flue blew suit all over the inside of the boat and because the radiators were in poor shape.
* Internal cabin space is about 450 square feet x ~6.5' ceiling with an average heating btu recommendation of at least 24,000 btu.
* I've added 1/2 inch foam insulation to 20% of the walls so far and all ceiling (except salon) already had owens corning _style_ fiberglass. Plan to finish salon soon.
* I've heard reverse cycle boat _style_ AC/heat pumps (use sea water to heat/cool) are not recommended for heating where water is below 45 degrees. Boston harbor coldest water temp is an average of 36 degrees in February.
* I have a couple neighbors with 60' Holiday mansions with aftermarket insulation that heat their boats with n ton home _style_ AC/heat units mounted on their aft decks. They tell me they only have to supplement with portable coil heaters on coldest days. Problem: I'd rather not put that big unit on the smaller deck of the Gibson. I have plenty of space in the cuddy under the salon I'd prefer to use.


***This is the option I'm considering*********
Add a 120/240 50Amp panel between the shore power and my existing 2x110 30Amp panels to feed the 110 panels and an electric coil heat and A/C combination unit(not reverse cycle) like this (http://www.flagshipmarine.com/electricheat.html).
 
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Re: Looking for heating advice for 50' 1983 Gibson in Boston MA. 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 0  
Friends of ours lived aboard for 3 years on a 1978 Gibson Std 44'. They installed a propane furnace under the forward lounge seats, they were in a slip closest to the shore and kept 2 100lb tanks on shore (private marina). In Western PA it got mighty cold in the winter. Anytime we visited them in Jan/Feb it was like 86 Deg. in the boat and they would have shorts and t-shirts on. They never had to run a bubbler the water never froze with-in 5' of the hull. 
 
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Re: Looking for heating advice for 50' 1983 Gibson in Boston MA. 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
Any idea how much propane they went to per week/month? I'm not sure my marina would allow tanks on the dock.
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Your looking at 2 grand for the electric furnace. This does not have any air conditioning. @ 27000 btus I thing you would be marginal. IMHO I would consider 2 units to at least get up to 40,000 btus but this drives up the expense.

We had a 120,000 oil furnace on our 55 Pluckebaum and it did the job. We installed a 3 ton cooling coil in the plenum for airconditioning and mounted the power unit on the back left corner of the deck.

The new residential 3 ton heat pump units are now very compact. Suggest you give this another look. You have a big cuddy and could place the inside unit behind a false wall or in a closet. (They have low clearance horizontal units available)

If you decide to go this way PM me as I can give you some advice on outlet placement to maxamize performance. (_base_d on experence).
 
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If you would consider diesel fueled units you might consider Eberspacher/Espar, (espar.com) Wallas (scanmarine.com) Webasto (webasto.us)

You might have done well to rhab the hydronic system that you had as this type of system provides even heat and good economy.
 
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If you wish to get out cheap get two 2 240 volt portable heaters. Put in two plugs one one each box. I can guarantee you will be warm even up there. I used one in Nashville on a 50 ft Gibson and we had to turn it off. They put out the heat.
 
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